Could be. Maybe we will get a CVS, Dollar tree and consignment shop. How 'bout that.
Or maybe it's because of the persons running the show.
Or maybe it's because of the persons running the show.
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Re: I heard the Super Block is open in Huntington.... | #1 | ||
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Thunders1 |
Re: I heard the Super Block is open in Huntington.... | #2 | ||
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Posts: 398 12/16/04 22:38:50 |
Read below. Sorry
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Thunders1 |
Another screwup by the people of Huntington. | #3 | ||
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Posts: 398 12/16/04 22:40:03 |
The city really screwed up not voting for the casino. We are in the Bible belt and have a huge population of older adults and those are the ones who turn out to vote and have a strong opinion towards gambling. There wasn't enough for the casino as there was opposition. The opposing people worked harder to come up with more things against it than did people who wanted it.
I don't buy the idea of crime in the city increasing because of a casino. If that were the case then Las Vagas would be the murder capital of the US!! That is a bunch of BS if you ask me!! Even if it did go up the revenue from the casino it would generate for the city would be more than enough to hire more police! That would have injected a huge shot in the arm to this area and surrounding areas. But the backward thinking mentality got us again just like it did 30 years ago with the Super Block. Someday it will happen and people will say "Gee, I wonder why it took so long for them to do this?!" The money generated would be insane! Another thing I think people thought would happen would be welfare cases and such down there wasting away their money but that would not have happened because you had to be staying in one of the downtown hotels to take advantage of the casino so that limits it to basically tourists and people with money around these parts which would have kept the hotels, businesses, and restaurants filled during all this! Man, can I run this city? We would be the best city in the state. |
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Re: Another screwup by the people of Huntington. | #4 | ||
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Posts: 235 12/16/04 23:13:09 |
Maybe a casino would have worked, I don't know. But I think everyone is missing the point. We need high paying jobs, jobs with real benefits, jobs that you can have a career in.
What we don't need are jobs that just make money for the city and for the business owners. We need jobs that will inject cash flow for the PEOPLE of Huntington and the surrounding areas. It's like this, I still make the same amount of money whether or not Pullman Square is here or not. I now have even more places to eat out at, but I sure as heck am not going to eat out more because of that. I'm going to eat out as much as I normally do. Case in point. In Barboursville we now have a Lowes and a Home Depot (duplicate business). I don't spend more on home furnishings and such because of that. GIve us more purchasing power with a well paying job and we can support all of these duplicate businesses but until then you're just going to saturate the market. |
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sturt |
House of cards | #5 | ||
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Posts: 482 12/16/04 23:22:00 |
Quote: Says who? I think you're making this stuff up, Thunders1. The people who can least afford to play these money games are the very people who are most inclined to play them... they have a dream of lady luck delivering them from their misery... a desperate dream at times... it's why the WV Lottery remains so successful. Gaming is nothing but an end-around tax on the poor... it is an artificial industry, in that, there is nothing inherent to the product that makes it any more special in WV than it would be in southern Indiana than it would be at some Indian reservation than it would be in Reno or Vegas. It is a house of cards, pun intended. No. West Virginia's future is bright as the internet age makes it more and more possible for people to work from their homes, and as corporations reframe their "workplace" around the capacity for people to interact with each other electronically... places like Huntington and Charleston especially are going to become attractive and popular within the next 25 years for their relative peacefulness and proximity to outdoor activities. |
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muBlade |
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Posts: 940 12/17/04 16:20:47 |
Quote: I'd say you are the one making things up. Quote: Prove it. Prove that its the poor people that have a higher tendancy to place $100 on black than to by a $1 lottery ticket. Prove that it is the poor man that would pass by 20 bars with video poker machines only to spend his last dime at a video poker machine in a casino. Prove that a poor person would avoid TriState Greyhound Park like the plague but spend his child's milk money at a casino. You are being totally irrational. Quote: More nonsense. I guess that is why Casinos target ghettos and trailer parks instead of businessmen and suburbia. I guess that is why I see all these bums riding around in limos at Vegas. Yeah, if I build a $1.1 billion casino, the first place I would go to recoup my money is center city Philadelphia. Yeah, to heck with trying to get Michael Jordan to come spend his millions. I'd go after all the welfare recipients in WV first. Quote: There is nothing inherent, industrially speaking, in Snowshoe Resort, Myrtle Beach or the Grand Tetons either. To say that tourism is an artificial business one of the most foolish things I've ever heard. Period! Quote: Geesh sturt, taking about a house of cards! The internet! Yahoo with a combined net worth of $12 dollars and 50 cents is making billions in the market. Granted, real property is not the only way to create value but the gaming industry has billions of dollars more real property than the e businesses. You are speaking with no real facts and calling people out for the same. That's my strut!  |
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sturt |
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Posts: 482 12/17/04 21:02:55 |
Quote: Just looking for some clarity... You're attempting to justify a casino on the basis that the state already allows other forms of gambling? "They're already doing this, so why not permit them to do that?" And are you also suggesting that even in having more lavish outlets for gambling, that people won't be any more inclined to spill their money then than they are now? And finally... your definition of "prove" is what?... just so you don't set the definition so high that it can't reasonably be approached let alone met... and to be fair, just make sure it's a level of "proof" that you yourself can meet, otherwise you're only issuing the hollow challenge in the best Scott Farcas tradition. Quote: Is that why almost all of the casinos you've been so eager to mention were located outside of an urban area, ie where there is a sizeable middle class and upper class to appeal to? What happens, Professor Blade, when a casino is located in an area where there is comparatively little middle and relatively no upper to appeal to? And if you get MJ here before you get WV welfare recipients, then my man, (with acknowledgement to the judgment of Marco00 and any of his French colleagues  ) you've not only TKO'd me, you've knocked me out of the universe... but at least give me some reason to understand why people like MJ would flock to WV when they can pick from all these other wonderful places you mention... what sets WV apart?(Putting it at The Greenbrier is one thing... putting it in Hgtn or Chas or the Weston State Hospital (cough-cough-gag-gag-bellylaughter)... any of those is quite another.) Quote: Indeed, tourism when you've got a unique ski slope, a particularly inviting beach, or a picturesque mountain range... those are far from artificial, and I would join you in calling that foolishness. One doesn't simply invent a reason for someone to go to one of those places... they are not synthetically appealing, they are naturally appealing. (Can we get back to the subject now?... as I remember, we were talking about opening another McDonalds in Huntington... er, no... another Planet Hollywood... strike that, they went out of business... no, another Hard Rock Cafe'... ahhh... no, I remember... another CASINO... another "UNIQUE" casino, unlike all the others... one that EVERYONE will want to fly to WV to come to...) Quote: So, the "real facts" are that I should gauge the future of e-commerce on your singular stock quote for Yahoo? Isn't that a little like going back 25 years ago and yucking up the potential of the fast-food industry based on the stock price of McDonald's back when? Thanks for setting me straight, Professor. Forgive me... I've got to go order some xmas presents from Amazon now... (you should try it sometime... it's really great for those of us who despise going to shop at "real properties" ) |
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Posts: 30 12/17/04 22:27:45 |
i'm not saying it wouldn't of worked... i'm just saying it's not likely... ever heard of John Warren Kindt or read the U.S. Congressional hearing "The Business-Economic Impacts of Licensed Casino Gambling: Short-Term Gain but Long Term Pain"? Did you know that Wisconsin loses 318 million to gambling... ever read about south Dakota and the "great benefits" they got from gaming? Florida did a statewide analysis on the effects of legalized gambling activities and they concurred with the congressional hearings conclusions. Get this... a pathological gambler has been calculated to cost society 13,200 to 52,000 a year... this is a condition people have and the number of people with this condition increases with the addition of legalized gambling... .77% (point-77%) (77 hundredths %) of Iowa was pathological gamblers before it was legal and in the six years after it was to 5.4% ... i mean there are places like reno and Atlantic city and you're right about those places... it did work for them and those are the ones you see on the travel channel and yeah they look good with their flashing lights and people in nice suits and all that jazz... but there are the wisconsins and the iowas and the south dakotas too... i mean it's not like gaming is the silver tape for economics... that's what im saying... it doesn't always work... in west virginia those who admit to having a gambling problem (according to the Gamblers Help Network of West Virginia) of those who admit the problem... 36% make less than $20,000 a year... the next 17% make between 20k and 30k a year... and only 10% make more than 40k a year... those are facts... im sitting hear reading the print out from the Gamblers network and the congressional hearing... now these are numbers from 2001... so maybe things have changed... but according to everything i read then... i figured that gambling was AT BEST of 50/50 shot at working... which also means it's a 50/50 shot at failing and now that i look back maybe 2:1 odds aren't too bad... but i didn't feel the need to even roll the dice on it back then. it just weren't solid enough for me... im not saying gambling sucks... im just saying... it's not the knight in shining armor that some think it might be... that's all im saying
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Posts: 940 12/17/04 23:53:16 |
Sorry, but it sounds like a lot of liberal poppycock to me.
A person with a gambling problem is an obsessive/compulsive. If they weren't overdoing it with gambling they'd mtl be drinking, doing drugs or some other vice. If you think the only time gambling has ever been a problem is when they legalized it, think again. Also, if it is such a burden and as obvious as you say, why does every state, including the ones you mentioned, have some form of legalized gambling? There are too many success stories out there for you to bring up "conceptual" losses. I could use the same logic to distort the cattle industry by quoting how much heart disease costs us each year.  |
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Posts: 940 12/17/04 23:41:59 |
Quote: I don't have to justify anything. The state already allows the lottery and video machines. That is a fact. The only issue here is allowing table games. Huntington already has the other two. Quote: No. What I am saying is that table games are targeted at people with money, not welfare recipients or the poor. Quote: I think it's quite clear what proof is. I have posted several articles from cities and towns that have instituted gaming and all of them realized increased revenue, tax base and jobs. Sounds like you're crawlfishing. Quote: Not sure what you're saying here. Casinos are located in all tax bases, from Detroit and New Orleans to Fort Madison, Iowa, Natchez, Mississippi and Tunica (which I posted an article). Huntington's size falls somewhere in between. Quote: I was using a whale in the same context you were overplaying the poor. Casinos draw from quite a large area. I wouldn't be surprised to see people from seven or eight neighboring states frequent Huntington if it had a casino. It appears you don't understand. People come for the gaming. What they spend outside the casino is nothing but gravy. It is clear to me that you came into this argument half-cocked and felt comfortable spouting the same old tired line. I'm surprised you didn't include the "bad element" line as well. I would have loved to diprove that one. Calling me professor was apt, considering the extent you've been "schooled". |
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sturt |
I'll let others determine who's schooled whom | #11 | ||
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Posts: 482 12/18/04 00:10:38 |
...meanwhile, I'm content that I've laid out some solid points that you don't seem interested to acknowledge, let alone, engage.
Looks like bobo has uncovered some of the kind of information that is actually substantive, and though I'm committed to getting some sleep right now, when I do reply that's the kind of thing you'll see... not the city media's self-promotion or travel agency yada-yada-yada steeped in a profit motive. And finally, defensiveness doesn't become you: Quote: Ummmm... if you aren't attempting to "justify" a casino in Huntington, pray tell what are you doing and why are we even having this discussion??? And in answer to my two questions, it would have been simple enough to just say, "Yes, Huntinton already has the other two, so I'm just saying why not table games, too." No need to get snippy prematurely, my friend. G'nite. |
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carolinaherdfan |
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Posts: 49 12/19/04 13:22:05 |
I live here in Coastal Carolina; when you drive into the state of S/Carolina you drive through a beautiful, picturesque fishing community that could hardly stay alive economically. Several years ago off-shore gaming was forced upon the state and the community. Today, or tommorow if you stop and talk to the residents they will tell you that if it was not for this revenue and employment the community would have nothing. The community, the state, the county, no one still wants this boat off-shore, but at least they are honest enough to tell you without them they would not be there. I could go on, but hopefully you get the gest. When people come to Huntington to play the university in athletics they want things to do. Do you honestly believe people from Memphis,
Houston, Miss., Fla. will be satisfied eating ice cream and watching the barge go up or down the river. Twenty years ago people in Alabama said they would kick KY out of the SEC if it were not for their Horse racing and Basketball. When people come into Huntington for games now they are staying at Charleston/Crosslanes area. I know, because when I come in for games I run into gobs of these people wearing their colors at Greyhound Raceway Park. Breath deep and smell the roses. Best wishes to all for a great holiday season! CAROLINAHERDFAN!  
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