I haven't been to downtown Huntington for a few months and I was just curious how it looked. Has it brought many people back to town for shopping & eating?
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I heard the Super Block is open in Huntington.... |
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Posts: 7209 12/16/04 07:47:00 Administrator |
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ShawHerd |
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Posts: 178 12/17/04 07:22:24 |
gtrman is absolutely right. For those of you who think Pullman's lack of retail will lead to a lack of success need to rethink. There has been a sales tax added to downtown only that will help fund development of downtown Huntington. 3rd ave is already working on store fronts and the Stone and Thomas building is in a developmental stage. Soon development will spred to 4th ave. This isn't about just Pullman but eventually all of downtown.
*Think big, not small!*
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marshallmark |
Sales tax | #22 | ||
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Posts: 73 12/17/04 07:36:53 |
You are a bit off...there has been no sales tax "added", but the existing sales tax is earmarked for repayment of the $10 million dollar loan from the state. Keeps the developer from having to fork it over, and gives everyone a better incentive to build. Same thing happened for the new ballpark in Charleston, and Cabella's in Wheeling.
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BoBoThunder |
Re: gaming | #23 | ||
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Posts: 30 12/17/04 08:12:54 |
gosh... about the casino... i mean we are in the bible belt and that is the main reason people voted it down... cuz of "moral" reasons... but have you ever read any of the congressionally funded studies or any of the college economic studies done on this gaming thing? there's countless ones out there... i remember reading like 5 or 6 different ones of em when i was deciding how to vote on the issue... They listed case after case after case study about places that had tried to bring gaming in to revive there town... it only worked one time... reno i think... i didn't believe it... but all the facts were there... bussinesses got drove out and the gaming industry just inveloped everything in EVERY other case... just look into it... it's crazy... plus did you know that thousands of dollars of our tax money in WV already goes to help a gambeling hotline that had to be established just because of lottery and gray machines? i mean it might have worked here... there is a chance... but recent history says clearly that it was a slim chance... just the facts.
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RACliff |
Re: I heard the Super Block is open in Huntington.... | #24 | ||
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Posts: 4 12/17/04 08:21:54 |
The "casino" law was written to accomodate the Greenbrier Hotel, with a local option clause and a limit of only one casino in WV. The law limits gaming to residents of the hotel, so no one can gamble if they are not a guest of the hotel. If you can't pay the 100 or so per night to stay there, you can't vote.
Greenbrier County voted No, and then developers in Cabell Co. tried to make it happen at the old Frederick hotel, plus the 3rd Ave buildings for the Casino. Cabell Co. voted no, so now developers at the old Weston State Hospital are trying to place the one casino there. I read that Lewis county (I think) has opted for the local option vote soon, so if approved they may get it. The current proposal by Wise, is to allow table games at the three already approved gaming tracks. |
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RACliff |
Re: I heard the Super Block is open in Huntington.... | #25 | ||
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Posts: 4 12/17/04 08:35:37 |
Error Will Robinson.......
I said "If you can't pay the 100 or so per night to stay there, you can't vote." and what I meant to say was if you can't pay the 100 or so per night to stay there you can't GAMBLE. sorry. |
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Thunders1 |
Re: I heard the Super Block is open in Huntington.... | #26 | ||
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Posts: 398 12/17/04 08:46:33 |
Sturt,
I think you have been missing my point. The rules for playing in the casino in Huntington were that you had to be staying at a hotel in downtown to play in the casino. You could not just walk in off the street and play. So people who live even in Huntington could not go to the casino unless they payed for a nights stay at the Radisson or Holiday Inn. I hope you understand what I am saying now. |
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MAKO |
None of this will matter | #27 | ||
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Posts: 331 12/17/04 08:49:27 |
You can talk about development all you want but Pullman Square will eventually flop just like everything else has flopped in downtown Huntington for one reason - YOU CAN'T GET THERE!!! Except for local specialty shops, people want their shops to be located immediately off the interstate. By sending I-64 5 miles outside of town, Huntington cut its future economic throat. Now, if they could get a spur built from around the 29th Street exit or that first exit east of the 29th Street exit that ran through downtown and connected back up at U.S. 52, downtown Huntington might just take off. As it is, no one is going to go to the trouble of getting there.
Blindly deferring to those in authority is not only fundmentally undemocratic; it's also stupid - COL Andrew Bacevich
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RACliff |
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Posts: 4 12/17/04 10:06:43 |
I have been told that the Mall ownership (Calfaro?) has threatened any Mall type stores that if they go downtown, that they will be not allowed to put a store in any of the conglomerate of Malls owned by the group.
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HerdnBucks |
Re: None of this will matter | #29 | ||
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Posts: 8 12/17/04 10:52:21 |
Mako is right. The reason retail is shying away from Pullman is location. It sits 13 mind-bogglingly unsynchronized red lights from I-64. I can get from Milton to the Hal Greer Exit faster than you can get from Pullman Square to the Hal Greer Exit.
As for Cafaro discouraging stores from going downtown, most mall leases require no competing store owned by the tenant to open within a five mile radius of the mall. Pullman is about thirteen miles away, so if any of the mall tenants had been interested, the mall wouldn't have stood in the way. |
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GreenBison |
Re: None of this will matter | #30 | ||
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Posts: 235 12/17/04 10:59:50 |
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RACliff |
Re: I heard the Super Block is open in Huntington.... | #31 | ||
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Posts: 4 12/17/04 11:16:22 |
"As for Cafaro discouraging stores from going downtown, most mall leases require no competing store owned by the tenant to open within a five mile radius of the mall. Pullman is about thirteen miles away, so if any of the mall tenants had been interested, the mall wouldn't have stood in the way."
This is not what I said...... I was told that they threatened not to let stores in any of their malls... You should recall that there is plenty of Open space at Huntington Mall, and most of those stores are multi-site stores. |
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sturt |
Precedent? | #32 | ||
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Posts: 482 12/17/04 11:24:52 |
I try to be an intelligent, informed person, even if the "intelligent" part is often questionable... I've never heard of a casino whose business was limited to hotel guests... is there precedent for that, or is it even common and I just never heard of it?... in what other location has it been done this way and what is the story of how that developed?...
I'd be amazed to find that the "hotel stay" restriction wouldn't eventually become the topic of some serious whining by the gaming company: "Oh dear, we aren't doing as much business here as we would if we weren't restricted like this... we aren't restricted like this in any other location in the country... and just think of all the jobs we could grow, if only you'd remove this tourniquet from our marketing arms... can't you see Mr./Ms. Lawmaker... you've allowed us to come here, but we could do sooooooo much better if you'd just consider undoing this one little thing..." |
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marshallmark |
HerdnBucks... | #33 | ||
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Posts: 73 12/17/04 11:27:16 |
I have a simple solution for you...
When you get to Baskin-Robins, turn left. 
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ShawHerd |
Re: HerdnBucks... | #34 | ||
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Posts: 178 12/17/04 12:22:40 |
If you don't like stop lights go across the 17th St W bridge from I-64 and take the Chesapeake by pass to the Downtown bridge crossing the Ohio River. It's all four lanes except when you cross the river. It will put you right on top of Pullman Square.
*Think big, not small!*
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SVHerd |
Re: I heard the Super Block is open in Huntington.... | #35 | ||
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Posts: 167 12/17/04 13:15:49 |
Pulman can succeed bu the people pulling the strings do notbelive retail stores should be a priority. Thus without something to draw people in other than eating and seeing a flick, it will dry up. It never ceases to amaze me how some people in power think, idiots.
I do beleive people will shop downtown if the stores are there. I frankly like the idea of shopping downtown, it is convenient for those living in Huntington and those close by and offer some atmosphere, especially this time of year. |
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Thunders1 |
Re: I heard the Super Block is open in Huntington.... | #36 | ||
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Posts: 398 12/17/04 13:58:05 |
There will be retail guys. They said there will be. Have to have more than eating and movies to keep people there. The comedy club will be nice also.
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HerdnBucks |
Re: HerdnBucks... | #37 | ||
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Posts: 8 12/17/04 14:31:13 |
Fifteen minutes from the interstate is fifteen minutes whether by Ritter Park, Hal Greer or Chesapeake. Easton Town Center and Polaris sit directly on I-71. Newport sits a block off of I-471. Huntington Mall, I-64. Charleston Town Center, a block from I-64. The $35 million in pork barrel should have been a down payment on roads into the heart of the city either by a direct spur or a loop integrating West 17th Street, the Chesapeake bypass and a new bridge to the Merritts Creek connector.
Without access, Pullman faces a long road. The drawing card today is the large theatre complex. However, competition is always lurking. What happens when, not if, another company puts in a state of the art 16-screen theatre near Kinetic Park? 29th Street Exit? The Mall? Who has the built in advantage then? Government intervened into the marketplace with a series a handouts and that seldom works. How much better would it be if the government stuck to building infrastructure and keeping taxes low? Watch Huntington grow then. |
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muBlade |
sturt, you surprise me.. | #38 | ||
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Posts: 940 12/17/04 15:58:14 |
At least you understand and agree how gaming is a panacea for Huntington. That is a no brainer. The easiest fix ever for a city torn by the loss of industry and population.
As for you vague primary remark? Instead of preaching the obvious pious response, why don't you research it and tell me how gaming makes the poor poorer? What is the average income of the table game player versus the video game player versus the lottery player? Show me where any town that has legalized gaming(AC, Vegas, Reno, Tunica, Biloxi) where: 1. The average income has decreased 2. The unemployment rate has gone up 3. Welfare ratio per capita has increased 4. Population has decreased 5. The tax base has decreased and get back to me. Just ONE town sturt.  |
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muBlade |
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Posts: 940 12/17/04 16:20:47 |
Quote: I'd say you are the one making things up. Quote: Prove it. Prove that its the poor people that have a higher tendancy to place $100 on black than to by a $1 lottery ticket. Prove that it is the poor man that would pass by 20 bars with video poker machines only to spend his last dime at a video poker machine in a casino. Prove that a poor person would avoid TriState Greyhound Park like the plague but spend his child's milk money at a casino. You are being totally irrational. Quote: More nonsense. I guess that is why Casinos target ghettos and trailer parks instead of businessmen and suburbia. I guess that is why I see all these bums riding around in limos at Vegas. Yeah, if I build a $1.1 billion casino, the first place I would go to recoup my money is center city Philadelphia. Yeah, to heck with trying to get Michael Jordan to come spend his millions. I'd go after all the welfare recipients in WV first. Quote: There is nothing inherent, industrially speaking, in Snowshoe Resort, Myrtle Beach or the Grand Tetons either. To say that tourism is an artificial business one of the most foolish things I've ever heard. Period! Quote: Geesh sturt, taking about a house of cards! The internet! Yahoo with a combined net worth of $12 dollars and 50 cents is making billions in the market. Granted, real property is not the only way to create value but the gaming industry has billions of dollars more real property than the e businesses. You are speaking with no real facts and calling people out for the same. That's my strut! |
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muBlade |
Never been to a casino in your life... | #40 | ||
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Posts: 940 12/17/04 16:25:47 |
have you strut.
Suggestion: Tune in to the Travel Channel and take a look at all those welfare recipeints playing those table games. Take a look at all those unclad starving children at the swimming pools eating gum off the pool floor. Look at those poor folk in their McDonalds uniforms sitting at the Bakarat Tables. Get back to me. |
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