I haven't been to downtown Huntington for a few months and I was just curious how it looked. Has it brought many people back to town for shopping & eating?
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I heard the Super Block is open in Huntington.... |
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Posts: 7209 12/16/04 07:47:00 Administrator |
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muBlade |
One last comment | #81 | ||
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Posts: 940 12/19/04 07:02:53 |
I'm not going to allow you to fry my brain by your usual tactics of changing the subject.
- I debated that gaming jump-started the economy and alleviated the tax deficit of the area. You haven't disproven that statement. - I purposely did not get into the sociological impacts of gaming. That is entirely another subject. Whether or not the government feels the need to save everyone by throwing money at problems is a political argument, not an economic one, though it does impact us economically. - Lastly, you have given quite a bit of evidence and support for your argument on "why gaming is bad". Too bad that is not what the argument was about. It's a dead horse in my book. You can continue this until you tire of it (I know from experience that you have never been wrong(have you?) and will never tire). I told you to give it up. Now I will heed my advice.  |
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Re: What everyone is forgetting is... | #82 | ||
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Posts: 779 12/19/04 10:56:37 Moderator |
that it took a political leader that was NOT raised in Huntington to even get Pullman Square done! If everyone, that has anything to do with Huntington can not realize that the city has screwed itself over the last forty years by reelecting the same rotating ses pool of politicians then you are blind! What about the Interstate going through town? What about putting a mall in the downtown area? What about a regional Airport (OK maybe some people in Charleston help Kill that).So of course I knew when the casino issue came up that the city would kill itself yet once again!
Just think, Huntington could easily be known as a destination for people from at least a 200 mile radius, if it had easy interstate access, great shopping, and a casino to spend a little money in. Also don't forget about the river access that could be utilized for river boats or floating restaurants! There is only one reason why Huntington is doing as well as it is now, and that is because the city officials can not control what Marshall does! The University is the only thing that has kept the city alive! More folks like myself will be moving across the state line as long as the city of Huntington keeps poisoning itself by allowing the same group of political leaders to stay! DAMN! It is great being a Thundering HERD football fan!
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GreenBison |
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Posts: 235 12/19/04 11:10:27 |
Another thing that people are forgetting. Is that Casinos will still bring the same quality of jobs that retail and restaurants bring. Sure the City will make some cash but the citizens buying power will not go up. I don't give a rats ass how much the City makes, what I care about is how much I can make and for how long I can maintain that pendulum swing. Casinos are still going to offer a bunch of low pay jobs. Would you rather be a server at a bar in a casino or serving MexiMelts in a restaurant?
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sturt |
Changing the subject? | #84 | ||
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Posts: 482 12/19/04 11:48:48 |
The thread is about Huntington, is it not?
 Our discussion has centered on the potential for development via legalized casino gambling, has it not? Did I take a wrong turn at the thread on Mickey Matthews? Quote: Couldn't disprove it, at least for the handful of towns considered here... and I wouldn't have debated it in the first place for towns like Tunica -- where the economy would improve even if someone only opened a new landfill. Indeed, from the census.gov numbers I looked at, Tunica County, MS has sliced its poverty rate in half, and all of the other numbers look similarly encouraging. Upon closer examination, however, the economic growth all appeared to happen within the first 3 years or so of the casino opening. It has been basically flat since that time. And, as The Commercial-Appeal article asserted, they still aren't even at the median of Mississippi counties in the composite... put together with the flatter line, that has to be a little disturbing to community leaders there, I would think. Further, as to the suggestion that a casino always or almost always leads to economic renewal, the indian reservation stats already cited would lead one to believe that there are literally hundreds of locations where the addition of a casino has not met with the huge success people imagined... ostensibly because they are not located very close to a major population center. What does this say to Huntington? The answer is only hard to figure that out if you have already swallowed the idea that casinos and gambling are a magic pill. Quote: Well isn't *that* convenient. Is it, then, your contention that leaders ought to decide the fate of a community on the basis of economics alone?... That, as long as the tax base goes up, as long as people have jobs at the casino or a casino-related business, as long as property values go up... nothing else matters enough to figure into the decision? Quote: My argument wasn't just "why gaming is bad"... my argument was "why gaming is more bad than good for Huntington." That you only wanted to talk about one part of that was your own decision... I was interested to look at the whole picture, economics and everything else that matters to the decision to put it on the public agenda. People often tend to assume only the most rosy financial statistics will come to be... even while discounting (if not outright ignoring) the other effects that have historically occurred in concert with legalized casinos. I'm not sure why one wouldn't want a comprehensive perspective, and that goes for any debate regardless of the topic... but maybe you could enlighten me why it's different when talking about casino gambling(???). |
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LexKY Herd Fan |
Re: One last comment | #85 | ||
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Posts: 119 12/19/04 12:08:17 |
I didn't read this whole thread but I have a few comments about the economy in Huntington:
I loved the city of Huntington while at Marshall and had no desire to move after graduation. I graduated with an Accounting degree and spent 6 months after graduation looking for a job. Guess what...I found no offers. I had to leave and hated it every minute. I couldn't get a job in Charleston either. It pained me to leave Huntington and WV but I did. I now have made a nice living building two houses and beginning to start a family. I would love more than anything to move back to WV but my wife has no desire to move there (eventhough she loves Marshall while being a UK grad) because of no lifestyle there. Pullman Square is what Huntington needs as well as casino's. If the city can get more money from business like casino's they can attempt to lure other business to Huntington with tax breaks. If they are getting revenue from other sources you can sacrifice revenue to get more business. In the end things work out. Huntington also needs to build a connector to I64 right down 8th avenue or in the vicinity. Bring people through Huntington not around. If downtown was easier to get to then business would survive. Maybe someday I will be able to move back but unless someone associated with the city doesn't develop a serious vision, Huntington's population will continue to decrease as well as business moving away. |
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sturt |
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Posts: 482 12/19/04 12:12:18 |
You say you haven't read much of the thread. Just go back and read the last few. The evidence is the evidence. It is a misnomer to equate "vision" with "casino."
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LexKY Herd Fan |
Re: I heard the Super Block is open in Huntington.... | #87 | ||
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Posts: 119 12/19/04 12:19:51 |
Sturt,
I don't appreciate you using my name in a thread, I was just stating one way the city can make money. Living here in Lexington with me, wait and see if we don't see some forms of casino gambling here at the Horse tracks. Kentucky is losing too much money to neighboring states that have casino's. I am not saying use a casino with vision. I don't care what each post is saying. I am just saying Casino's can bring money and the last time I checked states and cities are going bankrupt due to loss of revenue. New revenue avenue's are going to have to be looked at or roads will start crumbling, education will continue to decline and business will look to bigger cities. Living in the middle of Horse country I have heard many talk about going to WV to the Dog track to bet on the dogs. Although I am not a fan of dog racing it is drawing out of state visitors spending money. These same visitors are spending multiple nights in the state spending their moeny. I look at casino's as a source of revenue not the vision of recovery. Until a lot of changes takes place in Huntington the economy will never change for the better. Only get worse. |
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carolinaherdfan |
Re: SUPERBLOCK? | #88 | ||
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Posts: 49 12/19/04 13:22:05 |
I live here in Coastal Carolina; when you drive into the state of S/Carolina you drive through a beautiful, picturesque fishing community that could hardly stay alive economically. Several years ago off-shore gaming was forced upon the state and the community. Today, or tommorow if you stop and talk to the residents they will tell you that if it was not for this revenue and employment the community would have nothing. The community, the state, the county, no one still wants this boat off-shore, but at least they are honest enough to tell you without them they would not be there. I could go on, but hopefully you get the gest. When people come to Huntington to play the university in athletics they want things to do. Do you honestly believe people from Memphis,
Houston, Miss., Fla. will be satisfied eating ice cream and watching the barge go up or down the river. Twenty years ago people in Alabama said they would kick KY out of the SEC if it were not for their Horse racing and Basketball. When people come into Huntington for games now they are staying at Charleston/Crosslanes area. I know, because when I come in for games I run into gobs of these people wearing their colors at Greyhound Raceway Park. Breath deep and smell the roses. Best wishes to all for a great holiday season! CAROLINAHERDFAN! 
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sturt |
Avenues of revenue | #89 | ||
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Posts: 482 12/19/04 14:36:22 |
Vioxx was a great arthritis drug... and arthritis certainly strongly affects the quality of life for millions of people.
But Vioxx apparently does something that predisposes many to heart attacks... so someone had to decide whether it was better to alleviate arthritis for some at the expense of putting others at a higher risk for a heart problem. It's the same condundrum that governments and their constituents face and will face over the next several decades... are the side effects worth the treatment? Sure we create another revenue stream... yet, is that the singular primary factor needed to calculate quality of life of a community? Is it better to not endure the pain when you move around, or is it better not to put yourself at a higher risk of death? Why wouldn't we learn from, instead of choosing to ignore, the experience and evidence from other communities? (As for our home town... Lexington Urban-County Council just divvied up an $11 million SURPLUS to an assortment of government and community agencies. Don't think you're going to see much impetus there anytime soon. And as for our home state, there has been substantial belt-tightening to be sure, but I'm not aware of the least indication that the Fletcher administration is going to entertain casino legislation. They aren't that desperate, at least not yet.) Hope you will look in your inbox for an additional note. |
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carolinaherdfan |
Re: Avenues of revenue | #90 | ||
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Posts: 49 12/19/04 16:46:19 |
I want to wish you a happy holiday to you and your family!
I don't know for certain, and I want to give you the benefit of the doubt, but have you ever considered that you are a dummy! I know there is nothing you can do about it. I have prayed for you, and yours, but friend, and I would like to think of you in that matter that you just might be wrong in your thinking. We'll I have answered my own question, and with my leadership in the field of appalachian culture, I know that another equally correct answer in this subject matter leaves me stuck in the mud! You're right, but everyone left in the world votes you wrong. I don't know, what do you think? Happy Holidays to you and your family, CAROLINAHERDFAN!
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sturt |
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Posts: 482 12/19/04 19:51:29 |
Merry Christmas to you as well.
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ZackUSAF82 |
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Posts: 1109 12/19/04 21:25:15 Moderator |
*beats the dead horse a few times* Ah I feel better now.
 You guys are killing me. Keeping the Herd Spirit alive, halfway across the Pacific.
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BoBoThunder |
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Posts: 30 12/19/04 22:44:02 |
Truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. -Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860) |
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